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What bridge to use on my new guitar?
Vintage with 2 screws (this includes Callaham)
25%
 25%  [ 3 ]
2 point vintage from Warmoth
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Wilkinson (has zinc block)
8%
 8%  [ 1 ]
American Standard (has leaded steel block)
50%
 50%  [ 6 ]
Floyds (requires extensive mod to body/neck)
16%
 16%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: divebombing... Reply with quote

I know Hendrix divebombed on a vintage tremolo, but I guess it goes out of tune... so the question is, on my new guitar I am deciding what bridge I want to use and I honestly can't decide... I would love to use floyd but that means I need to modify the body for floyd, not cheap to have a professional do it, and not cheap to buy a router for this either. Or should I just go with wilkinson/vintage/2 point vintage/whatever and graphite nut and locking tuner which will be MUCH cheaper and requires no modification to the body or neck other than drilling holes for those bridges. I don't know because I am going to start doing some divebombs and it'd help if my guitars won't go out of tune everytime...

I don't like wilkinson because it sounds like poop, it has full zinc block.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A old school Floyd does not require mods... Eddie could show ya...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A properly set up vintage trem will stay in tune thru all sorts of abuse.

Key points.

Make sure the nut is cut properly and doesn't stick.

Use all 5 springs the way St. Leo designed it.

Adjust the spring tension to balance your choice of strings with the claw screws.

I have mine set to pull up a whole step and even if I press the talent lever all the
way to the body and then pull it all the way up it generally returns to in-tune.

Sometimes I do have to flick the bar to get it exact, but it's no big deal. Usually Rolling Eyes

Locking tuners are a help as well, but I just have regular Gotoh Klusons at this point.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this was for the dragonforce one, I would say do a floyd. But the kind on american strats stays in tune perfectly with 5 springs and locking tuners. You can dive, but you cant make the pitch go upward. Floyd roses are cool, but are quite a pain.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RyanF wrote:
If this was for the dragonforce one, I would say do a floyd. But the kind on american strats stays in tune perfectly with 5 springs and locking tuners. You can dive, but you cant make the pitch go upward. Floyd roses are cool, but are quite a pain.


You think is it advisable for me to do a non recessed floyd since all I gotta do is drill 3/8 inch hole rather than route out some huge cavity? Granted I gotta shim the neck but hey, its not that hard to do that... Plus I can use really cheap tuner with floyds.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Claude gave a lot of good ideas. But here's another one to expand on the nut. Put a bit of pencil lead in each of the string slots to keep the strings from catching.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nut sauce!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Structo wrote:
Nut sauce!


+1 to nut sauce. Pencil lead or graphite works well, Nut Sauce works is better IMO.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

+3 to nut sauce, it's quite amazing! Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hotgoalie11565 wrote:
Claude gave a lot of good ideas. But here's another one to expand on the nut. Put a bit of pencil lead in each of the string slots to keep the strings from catching.


I read on the form to chamfer the mounting screw holes on the tremolo plate if its not already and use chamfer oval screws.

I played many tremolo, from Floyds, Khalers and I prefer the stock type tone.

Here's an option, Point Tremolo but does require some modification.

claudevl wrote:
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Sometimes I do have to flick the bar to get it exact, but it's no big deal. Usually Rolling Eyes..
Jeff Watson's 'warbble sound'[?] (Night Ranger), I thought that was pretty cool technique Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RR wrote:
claudevl wrote:
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Sometimes I do have to flick the bar to get it exact, but it's no big deal. Usually Rolling Eyes..


Jeff Watson's 'warbble sound'[?] (Night Ranger), I thought that was pretty cool technique Cool


I usually mute slightly with the left hand when I do it to release a stuck string, so no sound then.

I've had to do that a whole lot less since I figured out the whole dynamic between the springs and the strings.

It is a nifty little sound effect for a sound effect, though.

One of these days I'm gonna try the nut sauce too...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once you try it, you'll never want to lube your nuts with anything else. Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Callaham. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rahimiiii wrote:
RyanF wrote:
If this was for the dragonforce one, I would say do a floyd. But the kind on american strats stays in tune perfectly with 5 springs and locking tuners. You can dive, but you cant make the pitch go upward. Floyd roses are cool, but are quite a pain.


You think is it advisable for me to do a non recessed floyd since all I gotta do is drill 3/8 inch hole rather than route out some huge cavity? Granted I gotta shim the neck but hey, its not that hard to do that... Plus I can use really cheap tuner with floyds.


You'd still have to alter the nut though. Will not recessing the Floyd allow give you much more lattitude than a normal trem?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RyanF wrote:
rahimiiii wrote:
RyanF wrote:
If this was for the dragonforce one, I would say do a floyd. But the kind on american strats stays in tune perfectly with 5 springs and locking tuners. You can dive, but you cant make the pitch go upward. Floyd roses are cool, but are quite a pain.


You think is it advisable for me to do a non recessed floyd since all I gotta do is drill 3/8 inch hole rather than route out some huge cavity? Granted I gotta shim the neck but hey, its not that hard to do that... Plus I can use really cheap tuner with floyds.


You'd still have to alter the nut though. Will not recessing the Floyd allow give you much more lattitude than a normal trem?


I don't know in any case I'd have to have the locking nut to use a floyd anyways, otherwise it'd be pointless to have floyds. According to Warmoth recessing the floyd only allows you to not have to shim the neck because its almost like a TOM bridge, sits quite high on the guitar. I think the lattitude is pretty much the same whether or not its recessed... I don't know though never installed a floyd...
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